All posts made by Starving_Marvin in Bitcointalk.org's Wall Observer thread
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Post 10343609 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):
Sorry for off topic, but so many here are talking about hired trolls so... could anyone tell me (or send a private message) how can one get money by trolling? Sounds more like a myth but...
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Post 10343731 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):
Sorry for off topic, but so many here are talking about hired trolls so... could anyone tell me (or send a private message) how can one get money by trolling? Sounds more like a myth but...
Even though it's an urban myth among us, there's a strong possibility for some of them doing that just for their amusement. This board consists of persons with high dedication, [relatively] high IQ and the trolls may enjoy being here facing strong arguments which is something different than usual spits & curses happening elsewhere. I don't know if you can find someone to pay you for trolling, but I can point you
here just in case you want to make some
BTCs with your posts.
Cheers.
I'd think everyone would have them on ignore by now but it's hard to imagine that someone would dedicate 600+ post + a bunch of other nicks
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=347792;sa=showPosts;start=600 just to say that BTC is dooooomed. There are no strong arguments here or IQ, it's a same broken record DOOOOOMED. Now i'd feel just sad for them if they're not getting at least 50c/hr for all that work
I've always thought that YourMother is totally mental. I know him from the Cloak thread and I was glad that I didn't ignore him (though I still lost money).
Thanks for the services link (had missed that one)
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Post 11865691 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):
BREAKING NEWS: Deal has been reached with greece, sell everything now.
Doesn't seem to affect Huobi prices much
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Post 11908942 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):
Hah BTC-E
WTF happened?
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Post 18224953 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.06h):
Im really thinking of getting more exposure in alts. We might see sub 1 k :/
Hmm...this is how shills are born. Sell low, buy alts high, then try to recover your losses by trying to get everyone else to buy your alt with the hopes of breaking even and selling.
Yup.
Just had to talk my coworker out of buying into the ETH/Dash bubble. He had a serious case of FOMO. Sure, the price may be much higher before it bursts. But you have to be retarded not to see that this growth is not sustainable...
Don't stop them! Let them buy! A lot of people can learn only one way, the hard way.
Just have to sell before the bubble bursts. Simple as that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts
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Post 19400341 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):
I don't understand how BTC/USD price affects ETH/USD price? When BTC/USD is crashing, ETH/BTC goes up. That I can understand somehow. But my mind gets boggled when I try to figure why then ETH/USD then goes up? Maybe I just need some sleep...
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Post 19404013 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):
I guess this is just another bulltrap...
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Post 20631807 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.16h):
Amazing green dildo! Finally. Haven't seen one for a long time.
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Post 20631913 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.16h):
whats next? why people keep writing 3.900? coz of goldman sachs?
Didn't Goldman sucks speak of BTC going up to $ 3.600 rather than 3.900?
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Post 20748534 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.17h):
not even 1 altcoin raise above 300 USD.
it's not a bug.
I am not sure I understand what you mean, but... Byteball?
Never forget 23skidoo / CHAO, which is running about 30 - 50 BTC a piece
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Post 20764165 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.17h):
Seriously guys, WTF is a NEO ?
According to the Shitcoin Gazette:
NEO has recently gained some notoriety due to its collaboration with Chinese certificate authorities to map real-world assets using its smart contract technology. NEO has also signed partnership agreements with several startup companies.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Formerly known as AntShares. I don't understand why they changed their name. And the new logo is ugly.
But otherwise the tech seems interesting. A bit like the Chinese version of ETH whereas XEM is the Japanese version of ETH. I.E. All of them have the ability to do "smart contracts" but at least XEM has an API (application platform interface) that is able to use (or compatible with) many other coding languages unlike Etherium, which uses only a single programming language in their API. I'm not sure about NEO but anyways if you hodl NEO in your wallet, you get GAS, which is equivalent to ETH on the Ethereum blockchain.
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Post 21062828 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.18h):
If weeks ago or even days ago someone said "put loads of money in monero 2 days before btc segwit activation" I would have said you need to take your medication my friend and maybe go back to your padded room.
Yeah I just shit myself looking at the price. Lucky for me I've got a decent stash
Wow, haven't seen monero pumped like that in ages. Any reason for the pump?
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Post 21068197 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.18h):
The 1day MACD looks worrying, seems like a price correction is finally looming...
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Post 21151641 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.18h):
So does anyone notice any difference in the transaction or confirmation speeds now when the segwit is finally activated?
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Post 21174152 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.19h):
Wow, I wasn't excepting that the charts would rise but better like this. Can't wait for $5000.
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Post 21183880 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.19h):
Another overnight push. Loving those at the moment.
Does anyone have a list of airdrop Alts that can still be claimed with my private keys?
I'm not sure how many airdrops are running out there, but these are confirmed running right now:
Stellar Lumens - LAST date 27th Aug
https://www.stellar.org/blog/bitcoin-claim-lumens-2/Byteball - next round on 6th Sep
https://byteball.org/Bitcore
https://bitcore.cc/(And of course, the usual BitCH coins, if you've not already claimed them)Also DeepONION, airdrop is today but you have to add a huge signature to be able to claim the coins. But they are worth around $100-200, weekly.
I like Byteball the most.
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Post 21307625 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.19h):
I have a VPN service but I worry that if the VPN drops the node would stay online without caring.
Firewall it (default deny all) on your outbound router and only allow packets going to the VPN provider. If the VPN drops, it will simply get disconnected, and that way you also make sure there's no DNS or other type of leakeage going on.
I will look into doing that. My router is the box provided by the ISP, that sounds bad but it's a very innovative ISP (father of the school "42" ), the thing is extremely powerful and has tons of options, I've seen one about VPNs.
Can somebody recommend me a good router that can only allow packets going to the VPN provider? Also it would be cool to have a firewall in the router. I've been looking in the Tomato-firmare that can be installed into many cheap routers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato_(firmware)
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Post 21380244 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.19h):
I'm glad I bought my coin back at a slight loss around 4300 that I had stupidly shorted. No correction in near sight. Only great news everywhere. Something feels strange. Where is all the FUD? That BCH thing has already gotten old.
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Post 21380692 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.19h):
I'm glad I bought my coin back at a slight loss around 4300 that I had stupidly shorted. No correction in near sight. Only great news everywhere. Something feels strange. Where is all the FUD? That BCH thing has already gotten old.
segwit2x
My guess is that segwit2x won't even happen. Doesn't make sense, following the great success of BTC (segwit activated without any problems etc). Maybe if there will be some technical hiccups (I very much doubt it).
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Post 21406271 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.19h):
Why is China not picking up as it used too?
// Kraken is in a good buying mood today. 4050€ ~$4812
I guess the Ghost Month is now over there (depending on the time zone).
https://cointelegraph.com/news/east-asias-ghost-month-scare-may-explain-flat-trading-in-certain-altcoinsOr is that just a myth?
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Post 21554339 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):
Green day!
Here a nobel price winner/"bubble expert" who says that bitcoin is the perfect example of a bubble because it has an interesting story behind it:
https://qz.com/1067557/robert-shiller-wrote-the-book-on-bubbles-he-says-the-best-example-right-now-is-bitcoin/but doesn't even seem to know what an bitcon is...
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Post 21709486 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):
I observed that bitcoin is always stationary at $4200, does this means that $4200 is the new bottom now?
If yes, we need to buy this dip before going to $5000.
I can't see bitcoin going down from here, anymore, monday is coming. Maybe a slight dip. But I don't think bitcoin will pass over $5000 for at least until the China FUD calms down.
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Post 21729906 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):
I get at least 33% off almost everything in Amazon ... but I have to wait a bit before someone buys it for me.
how?
Guess that does not work in EU ?
You can always use a service like usendhome.com though the shipping cost might be too much (often more then 50 euros). But worthwhile if you are ordering something expensive. Also, amazon.com doesn't ship many items over-the-coast so usendhome is a work-around for that kind of situation.
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Post 21789279 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):
The price is going down way too slow for me to be really worried about it...
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Post 21823989 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):
Hope we did hit the rock bottom. Wouldn't have believed that the price goes under 3800!
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Post 21825651 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):
Oh shit
I fail to see why this is bad. It is confirmed. They will not trade anymore there. Move on.
This is actually good news! /s
I don't understand. Why is it good news that BTCC will stop all trading?
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Post 21836126 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):
My guess for the new ATH is 11th of November. Just because 11.11. is a nice number and it seems like a sensible estimation.
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Post 21838059 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):
Wow, haven't seen this much blood since the end of 2014. Almost feels like xmas with all the omnious blood vomit going around
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rph1M5dcsY0
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Post 21839713 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):
Bought at 3286, hopefully bottom is in now
I think that if or when the 20 000 yuan line breaks, all hell will be loose. Interesting times. I guess I'll skip sleeping for tonight.
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Post 21844174 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):
Bought at 3286, hopefully bottom is in now
I think that if or when the 20 000 yuan line breaks, all hell will be loose. Interesting times. I guess I'll skip sleeping for tonight.
20 000 Yen broken! Interesting to see what happens now...
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Post 21863805 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):
snip snap poof - all gone
Official Chinacoin incoming during National Congress. "Probably "
Yeah I can imagine a CNY tether coin...then back to business...
One thing I am pretty sure of- in China NEO & co are not going anywhere apart from moon.
They are up to something 100%!
This is a prelude.
NEO seems to be very low. Why would you think it would go to the moon? Seems like a risky investment at this point...
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Post 21870845 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):
I just woke up. Has there been some good news or some agreement in China? Or what is happening? Just a natural rebound?
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Post 21878675 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):
You would think after almost three years of being involved in the cryptocurrency sphere, that I would know how to trade. But I still am quite clueless. I thought I did well yesterday. I managed to put of few trades together, where I sold higher and then would buy back lower. I didn't catch the absolute crests and troughs, but I did OK with the little bit that I was moving around. I then bought back last night, and left it at that, so I could sleep well at night with a few more satoshis than I had 24 hours ago. This morning, just before work, I saw the market shoot up from a low of almost 2800 USD to a little above $3300. I thought, surely this must be near the peak, so I sold a little bit of my BTC. Now it appears the rally has continued and I find myself stuck with a fiat balance on Gdax. I know that it is recommended not to seek trading advise in this space. However, I really am clueless what to do. Any recommendations? Here are my options.
1) Keep the fiat balance on GDAX, so that I can continue to play around with the market at my leisure, and have both a BTC balance and a fiat balance.
2) Transfer fiat to Paypal and pay off the credit card balance that I have for them. (Coinbase charges a big fee to do this though, and I could probably pay off my balance outright with fiat I already have in the bank anyway.)
3) Buy back your BTC, use this as perfect example that I suck at trading and transfer all my BTC back to cold storage so I can HODL.
Thanks in advance for the advice.
I'd recommend thinking of something to buy. Then Buy back your BTC and use that BTC immediately to buy it.
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Post 21880037 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):
I don't want my bank to know that I am fiddling around with BTC. Not sure what their policy is, but don't want to take chances, and have them close my account. That is why I have lately been using the Paypal route. Then I can transfer from Paypal to my bank and all my bank sees is that I got money from Paypal.
I'm not sure what you mean but selling BTC for paypal-money is very risky. Anyone can complain within 30 days and get their money back + keep the coins. Paypal-policy says that they can just take the money from you and give it to someone else.
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Post 21880427 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):
I don't want my bank to know that I am fiddling around with BTC. Not sure what their policy is, but don't want to take chances, and have them close my account. That is why I have lately been using the Paypal route. Then I can transfer from Paypal to my bank and all my bank sees is that I got money from Paypal.
I'm not sure what you mean but selling BTC for paypal-money is very risky. Anyone can complain within 30 days and get their money back + keep the coins. Paypal-policy says that they can just take the money from you and give it to someone else.
If you're worried about your exchange double-crossing you in that manner, you probably shouldn't be dealing with that particular exchange in the first place.
What exchanges pay you with paypal money? Also I wouldn't trust Paypal with any larger sums. I once sold most of my vinyl records in a short period and paypal froze my account. I had to prove this and that to be able to be able to use my funds again. It took months and I was really broke (that's why I sold my vinyls) so I'm still quite pissed.
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Post 21889570 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):
New ATH - 28th December 2017. Reason purely because it'll take that long due to recovery from China's bullshit. I think if China hadn't messed us around we would have seen a new ATH earlier.
Are you sure? Price has already recovered pretty well and 1h candles look like a Super Mario jump
The current volume is low...
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Post 22085263 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):
Luckily I managed to buy a new computer before the slight dip. The charts are looking good, maybe have to wait until after the weekend until the new bull race emerges.
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Post 22351313 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.22h):
Looks like the price is going down, again. On the 6h chart. Bloody ICO's!
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Post 22803077 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):
Yeah but slow and steady wins the race, I would rather we consolidate for a little bit after each jump than get too bubbly too fast...this could be the longest bull run of all time
Exactly. We need a slow build this time. We've got some good momentum going, but to your point, no hurry to get there.
In this for the long-haul.
That last run-up to $5k was irrational.
This run up to 5K may also be irrational with the segwit2 fork and other FUD to be tossed soon....so I'm assuming it will get to 5k ...people will break under that pressure and sell....like
the last time it was 5K and with the FUD on the forking and other spam ...we will slip back to 3.5k again and then repeat up to 5k ..hopefully as you say...more steady and sure
anyway, hope I'm wrong but how I see it playing out now
Yeah, now suddenly Russia is "banning bitcoin", just in time, hah. Anyways, going up and down is great fun. Soon I can afford to go to an actual roller coaster ride (I've never been in a proper one).
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Post 23406267 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.24h):
Do you think the bug dump is incoming right after the gold fork? Is there some countdown counter out there?
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Post 25408836 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.29h):
10300!
BTC crushed through 10,000. Feels like I'm still dreaming.
Too bad that Shittrex seems to be keeping my trade funds indefinitely, the worse it feels the more BTC grows.
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Post 25409634 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.29h):
We might see $11,000 tonight. The Koreans are waking up.
Doesn't anyone think you'd have to be a bit crazy to be buying more BTC at these prices? Well, perhaps there won't be any correction but still...
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Post 25410544 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.29h):
The power of exponential rise:
If a bacteria doubles its surface area every day and completely covers a Petri dish in 30 days, on what day is the Petri dish half covered?
Answer:
Day 29
But Bitcoin has gone parabolic! Exponentially exponential.
This puppy will reach $25,000 sooner than most can believe.
I wonder what will happen to the alts when bitcoin will shoot exponentially straight up? I guess, eventually a few of them start also popping up to the moon, one-by-one.
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Post 25430067 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.29h):
Where can I see Korean and Japanese charts easily?
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Post 26656100 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):
How to be ultra spiritual BTC hodler with JP Sears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-zIbVEjVpQ
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Post 26675639 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):
Used this pump to get rid of the rest of my Bitcoin Gold. Now I am all out of clonecoins. When are the next forks coming? Whatever happened to Bitcoin Diamond?
how did you do it if I may ask? the only reason I still have that sheit is because I don´t know how to conveniently sell them for bitcoin.
Had my coins in a Trezor which conveniently provided a coin-splitting tool. Didn't have to deal with the hassle of moving coins, sweeping private keys etc.
Whatever happened to Bitcoin Gold?
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Post 26679636 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):
Roger Ver trying to bash BTC and promote BTH, desperately (clip from Nov.27):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCOjCEth6xI
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Post 27856917 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.37h):
Seems like that was the bottom. Be seeing you....
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Post 27896300 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.38h):
We need our own Bitcoin Exchange. Our legal entity must be set on a Moon (yes we said we are going to then moon, what are we waiting for?) site.
Then no petty government shall come and shut down our exchange. If somebody picks the idea that would be great.
decentralized exchange
Is there any viable decentralized exchanges currently around? Something with proper trading volume...
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Post 27903508 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.38h):
Seriously, I am posting this the 3rd or 4th time. Is nobody worried about whats going on in the market? Who cashes out 100 Billion in 3 days for the 3rd time in 3 weeks? Pump and dump 100 Billion?
I don´t believe in these stories posted here like "people cash out, buy christmas presents" etc. No average Joe has this huge amount of cash.
No but three million Joe's do have a huge amount of cash. Never underestimate the insanity of the crowds. Just another day of panic...
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Post 28204770 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.38h):
buy sand
Actually investing in sand might be an even better idea than investing in gold or cryptocurrencies. I'll trade sand for gold, any day.
http://peakoil.com/geology/earth-is-starting-to-run-out-of-sand
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Post 28263320 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.38h):
I guess nvestors are selling alt-coins off while lowering the price of BTC while preparing in putting their huge profits from alt-coins in another BTC pump.
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Post 28318371 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.38h):
Good Morning Wobservers.
Hmmm... Bitcoin half price? Seems like a good time to sell. Maybe I’ll buy it again when it’s very expensive.
Haha, I love the way how most people "think"
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Post 28322823 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.38h):
So the whole goal was clearly sub $10k. Got it.
Bitstamp is hodling strong still for a moment
"---and in a moment the wall is gone..."
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Post 28333978 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.38h):
Saying This allready for weeks time to actually buy or fuck off :-)
Until now i only see dumping.
Because they haven't got their bonuses yet.
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Post 28345023 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.39h):
Is the nightmare over yet ?
Nope, looks like we are going sub 10k again
Good, I've still got $2000 that I forgot to spend.
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Post 28352430 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.39h):
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=bitcoinTotal noobs carnage, Google Trends confirms it. Just look at the chart and see for yourselves. Thanks Torque for the hint: I went looking for the only chart I needed and the timings are so clear.
Back to business
fork - Culinary tool
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Post 28360051 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.39h):
If this holds, I might have to start paying more attention to this Russian mystic guy who speaks in tongues and probably sleeps on a bed of nails.
Who is this mystical Russian creature you are speaking about?
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Post 28360953 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.39h):
Who is this mystical Russian creature you are speaking about?
Masterluc of course.
Or Vitas.
For the uninitiated:
The other Russian mysticAwesome
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Post 28364622 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.39h):
well told ya, dont celebrate just yet
4 digits here we come
Not through my goggles. The market is simply gathering more momentum to get past 12k
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Post 28414068 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.39h):
Going down again. The 12k didn't last. Might go now down to 8k according to many forecasts...
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Post 28753960 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.39h):
Ok I sold some. My sacrifice to the sharks. Price will go up now. I have excellent record for selling the bottom.
Many Thanks!
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Post 29482738 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.41h):
Can't wait for the rebound. What a bloodbath.
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Post 30221470 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.43h):
Just another day, just another payday
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Post 30879764 (copy this link) (by Starving_Marvin) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.45h):
Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men.
Couldn't put Humpty together again.
